Easter Day

Feather one pale smooth Grey 

Tiny childrens truck for play 

Concrete Francis leads the way

Half asleep but find my way 

Petals paint the Easter Day

Not just those that care to pray

Fragrant life is here to stay

Hidden birds all have their say

Through God’s hands made of clay

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Shower of Watercolor

Shower of Watercolor.

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10 O’clock on a Thursday Night

10 o’clock on a Thursday Night
I probably shouldn’t be writing this late in the evening, 10 o’clock on a Thursday night. Whenever I get my mind engaged with language at this hour it is usually hard to turn it off. Be that as it may be, what I wanted to write about has been with me these last weeks and months.
On my way home tonight from picking up my daughter from the bus ride home after a softball game I started to verbalize this idea. I wish I had begun my quest to find stupidity earlier in my life. Because I am finding more and more that ignorance is bliss indeed.
Many many years ago I had an artist’s loft apartment in a downtown Jackson commercial building that I’ve discovered has been torn down and is now a grassy lot.
I would leave my friend’s home where I had started watching Monday night football and pick up the game in my loft and watch it from my bed. This went on for weeks and I would stay up late and be too tired for a demanding work day in the morning. Knowing myself well enough, or so I thought, I circumvented the television additction by cutting off the plug of the TV and tossing it out the second floor window onto West Capitol Street. But as with all addictions the true addict finds a way to continue their downfall by finding a work around. Being creative sometimes is as much a curse as a blessing. I stripped off the ends of the two lines of the TV cord stuck them directly into an electrical outlet and secured them with a lamp plug. Viola! More football. I knew something instinctively 30 years ago when this occurred.
Fast forward to tonight on my way home with my daughter in the station wagon. I mentioned that I have been deliberately not filling my mind with television, news and programs of all kinds. I readily admit that I am not completely cut off having a fondness for Masterpiece Theater and Downton Abby and all its dramatic interludes. Movies and these kinds of programs are different categorically. They are not sensationalizing the human condition as interpreted news but story telling of a longer standing human tradition.
I have chosen to allow what room is left in my mind and what time I have left to pursue what I am most interested in – spirituality and how it affects the human condition – I suppose with myself as a guinea pig. I read about artists – painters, sculptors and the like. I continue my grandmother Stevie Moody Flinn’s work of studying various religious traditions while at the same time being grounded in Christianity. I have stumbled onto all kinds of interesting avenues of research that resonate with me, the poet Rainer Maria Rilke is a current favorite, and the amazing audio reading of the Cloud of Unknowing by Murray Bodo.
I tried to explain this to my daughter that I wish I had discovered this path to stupidity earlier in my life and that perhaps I would have been happier and more content. By eliminating as much dross and clutter as possible this gives me the time and energy to purse what I think really matters. That the single pursuit of truth has great rewards and happiness.

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Personality is Desire Mixed With Longing 

This morning I stumbled across this note written three years ago…..and thought I would share it, now. ~ andy 

For so long i have been thinking in ways that are wrong. 

Wisdom does come through experience. 

It is the living through these experiences that is fertile ground. 

Detachment allows perspective to clarify the actions of the personality. 

Beware of personality because it is desire mixed with longing. 

That old adage to be careful what you wish for could not be more true. 

So where does this leave us? 


Remain forever watchful of your habitual actions. 

Because they are no substitute for careful application of wisdom.

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The Way Forward is Fraught with Blind Alleys

Whenever I start a painting idea It may end up somewhere that I did not intend. And this exercise is a case in point. I began with a drawing of the human figure, all very brief poses done at the beginning of a modeling session, known as gesture drawings. I kept looking at the drawing in my studio over the last few weeks knowing I wanted to use it as a spring board for a painting exercise. I don’t like it. It bothers me, and it may bother you too! But I like that it bothers me. It means that the creative process has succeeded in following intuition to a conclusion. Time will judge if it is a successful conclusion. I have stacks off paintings such as this, begun and stopped, not necessarily completed in my way of thinking at the time. And what I have found out is that once this work goes away into a portfolio to surface years or decades later it is then that I can make a more fair judgement.


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Kratz Dekan poetry and paintings

see if this link will get you there. This is definately a work in progress!


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Time is easily lost and hard to find

This phot was probably taken by my brother Wayne Young.

This photo was probably taken by my brother Wayne Young circa 1977


“Time is easily lost and hard to find”
Lao Tzu

Tonight I held an old photograph in my hands and stared into the face of a much younger man that I recognize as me. Or is it me? And if it is me am I the same as I once was? I had hair, which I have long sense lost, and I was thin as a rail, which would not describe me now. And I wonder about the eyes and mouth that seem to capture a sense of hope and anticipation of the future. And what of the future, which I suppose is now?

What narrative can I spell out tonight to reconcile the past with the present? Is this the path that I always wanted to walk? Have I ended up where I thought I was going? Or did I just stumble along like playing a game of chess in a mirror against a player that new all my moves and would let me win from time to time just to keep me interested.

How much of this time spent covering 35 years did I recognize that my life was unwinding from a spool of precious thread that would one day play out and drift through the air to the ground? This end game of life against the greatest of players is a tricky one for sure. The field is slippery and you have to master your faculties to keep up the pace against the onslaught of your own slow demise. How long can your hold it off? The fountain of youth has long since dried up and filled with debris of my own making against the inevitable power of physics and physiology.

And what of the vaunted wisdom I think I have gained by racking up the hours, days, months and years being self-perceived as a thoughtful person? And what of that young man staring at me from the past, is he still with you? What would he say to me now? Good job?

I can see where this is trending in tone and substance. Indeed the inevitable drift to sadness and doubt has been the familiar curse from the time I was a conscious human being. Is this the same for everyone or just some more than others and those few not at all?

Many years ago I was in an antique store mostly filled with bits and pieces of this and that nothing special and given away or sold for next to nothing. Hanging on the west wall of a metal building about the size and shape of my outstretched hand was a shellacked slice of rich amber colored red cedar. And on the front was a piece of paper, glued down first, before the shellac was applied, with these words in a font of hand written text “if you don’t have time to do it right when will you have the time to do it over?” I have recited this many times, and sitting here now clacking away on my key board I am beginning to realize that it has a special meaning to me now. Staring down the field of the endgame I have abruptly realized that if I don’t take the time to do it right now I won’t have the time to do it over. There is no later. This is it.

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An Unheralded Art

I am haunted by the lonely beauty of a piece of glass. For many years I have come back to this image of the women at the tomb of the risen Christ to wonder about the hands of who may have created such rare beauty. I came across the picture again recently when I was putting together a string of images for a presentation to a group of local architects. What was surprising was that the image was in the file waiting for me to rediscover for I thought it was lost. Memory plays tricks on us especially when we have been around long enough to develop a few of them. For years the thought plagued me that I needed to go back to the church in Vicksburg, Mississippi, and photograph this piece of glass so I could study it again. But here it was stacked up digitally recumbent in a tiny yellow folder just a few nervous clicks away from my consciousness.
As I lay quietly in my bed writing this text, the sound of the sweet olive branch against the window pane keeps me from drifting off to sleep. Where I live the house shudders from time to time, I know this because the slightly loose light bulb in my reading lamp sets up a thin rattling whine when a wave of vibration reaches the end of the house where I am resting in repose. Somehow I believe that by focusing on one small element that larger truths can be revealed. By looking at the seemingly mundane smallness of a single piece of glass some truth can be brought to bear on the existential questions of happiness and redemption.

What is so intriguing about this image is the number of questions that it raises when the time is taken to contemplate what it is saying to us. Why are the women looking off to the right, outside of the picture plane when the image of the risen Christ is to the left? Could a painting of such pathos been created by a man? It seems such a feminine take on the emotional complexity of the moment. Can one tell by looking at a work of art if it was painted by a woman or a man?
Behind the women and above the glass painter left a seemingly random pattern of black paint that conjures many possible interpretations. Is it rain? Forms of mountains in dim fog light? I believe that these suggestions create an openness allowing a free interpretation of the image. Is this a type of perfection? Perfection defined by the Taoist diarist Lao Tze that one can see beauty as beauty only because there is ugliness?

“Woman with Dead Child” by Kathe Kollwitz, etching, 1903 National Gallery of Art,D.C.. In the public Domain in the United States of America.

Many years ago, at the advice of a friend, I sought out an exhibition of etchings by the German artist Kathe Kollwitz. The glass painting image of the women at the well reminds me of Kollwitz graphic work. As an artist she created images with great pathos and as a woman her portrayal of the emotions and plight of women are hauntingly beautiful.

In a future post I will report on my trip back to the church in Vicksburg to see this piece of painted glass again. Kollwitz shows us that women have insight into events that create emotional gravity. The artist that painted image of the women at the tomb has shown us that great art is possible even in the most unheralded of places.

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Human Perception of Stained Glass

Stained glass, a tune up for the soul.

Andrew Cary Young

This is the text of a talk I gave to the Stained Glass Association of America at their summer conference on June 30, 2010. It is the result of many years trying to understand how we see a stained glass window. A subtext for this talk was the idea that stained glass has the potential of being the most expressive of artistic media. The staging of the presentation was very simple.  I prepared a loop of photographic images of my stained glass windows that were projected while I presented the text to the audience. Because the history of stained glass is inexorably mixed not only with the bricks and mortar of the Christian church but its theology and beliefs as well, there is a bias in this discussion.  The principles of human perception of stained glass certainly apply to architectural art glass as well. 

I have discovered that we are all in the business of seeing and believing; of being conscious of our world and trying to make sense of this magnificent gift of life.  All of my research for this talk raises the question in my mind why does stained glass fascinate us?  We perceive color, movement and meaning on a conscious and subconscious level.  The human mind developed to allow us to react to visual stimulus. You reach instinctively to catch a falling object before it drops. You apply the brakes in your car not thinking but reacting to danger in the road.  We will discover that stained glass teaches us in a similar instinctive way.

It begins for me in 1973; I was sitting at a desk across from Paul Dufour, in a critique of my semester’s work in stained glass. Paul was the art professor at LSU that had single handedly brought to life one of the few college level programs in stained glass education that has existed in the United States.  He was known to make people cry in critiques, to burrow down in their psyche and make people question their commitment to being an artist, did they have the goods?  Thankfully in our meeting Paul was open and willing to allow me to share my thoughts and budding opinions about stained glass. I can remember saying that the art in stained glass would be enhanced by the nature and quality of a particular glass, that it wasn’t just the relative warmness and coolness of the color in relationship to others, or its lightness and darkness.  Paul agreed that the glass mattered but he taught from a design view colored by his study of the research done by the artist Joseph Albers.  But I left that meeting with the thought that what if it was the nature of the glass itself, its transparency, shading, unique texture -that would be on par with the color design as taught by Albers – then this would make stained glass a true form of art.

When I began my writing for this talk I realized that I have spent the last 37 years following this meeting with Paul in search of an answer to the question I posed for myself in the presence of a brilliant and difficult man.

Let’s move forward to 1987 when I spent a few days in France, primarily to study the ancient windows of Chartres cathedral. I wanted to register in my own mind through sense and perception what I felt being in the presence of these masterpieces of our history.  On the train ride from Paris I imagined being a serf, and what my life would have been like, attached to a piece of land for life.  Color in my world was very limited. Limited to the colors of the earth in shades of brown, grey, blue and only brightened by the color of flowers, sunsets and blood red from injury. My eyes were trained to see the few feet between me and the ground.   I lived too far from the village of Chartres to go there often but being faithful I would travel there on feast days. As I walked, I would have known I was getting closer; glimpses of the spire of the cathedral became in time carved stones so tall that as I stood in the shadow I thought surely the spires touched heaven. Entering through the doors so huge I became as a child again, transformed by the color, color so rich it seemed as if I was walking through it, the priestly incense creating clouds of color so vivid in my mind that I would be inspired by the gospel stories I had been told were in the images of the stained glass windows. My drab world of soil and rough woven cloth became one of transcendent beauty with my spirit in commune with God in His Heavenly Jerusalem.

Peter Miller, the first time I saw Paris, Times Books, copyright 1999, Random House, New York, NY.

Page 5. “I discovered a few secret spots, as I had in the woods of Vermont. I walked and walked and found beauty and life intermingled in small parks.  I realized that the Seine and the islands and Notre-Dame were the heartbeat of Paris, as they always had been.  The colors of the stained-glass windows struck deep in my senses and showed me a depth of emotion I had never experienced before. “

When I read this I remember standing there in Notre Dame and when I looked at the great north rose window I had a feeling of vertigo, that the window was a great cosmic wheel and that somehow it was turning clockwise like the whole earth was rotating around the center of the window and I was nearest to the center of God as I ever would be.

This is one of the greatest mysteries of stained glass – were people’s vision a thousand years ago more acute and could they make out the shapes and forms more clearly?  Would have being in the presence of these symbols so seemingly unintelligible been transforming in ways that we can ever truly understand?

A decade later I wrote this next piece. I was attending my first Icon writing workshop at St. Mary of the Pines Retreat Center and was reading Iconostasis by Pavel Florensky.  Florensky was a Russian educator and philosopher who wrote about orthodox spirituality and the icon.  And his writing inspired me to think differently about stained glass.

“If the window is a veil, how does the veil function?  Is it hiding the spiritual realm or are the elements of the spiritual realm reflected onto the veil like shadows on a stage scrim or a projection of a picture on translucent cloth?  So this opens an avenue of research, the window can symbolically be a dream, it is not representing this world, it cannot capture reality, it cannot reveal the depth and content of the spiritual world (seen and unseen) but it can portray an imagination of the unseen through color, light, form, imagery, symbolism and time.  If we accept time as the kinetic nature of stained glass to change its visual character and essence as the sun moves if we wanted an immediate understanding of time in stained glass then its transparency would answer this need.  We move from our place on this side of the window the other side; this action seems instantaneous, as it takes time to recognize the transparency of the window.”

Since then I have been working to understand this idea. It has opened an avenue of research into the human perception of stained glass and has served as a catalyst to deepening my spiritual understanding and discernment of the task of designing stained glass.

A few years ago we had a 100 year old window from Trinity

Trinity Episcopal Church, Natchez, Mississippi

Episcopal Church in Natchez in our studio.  The artist had used opalescent glass to create the picture plane, but the background glass was hand blown antique left unpainted to allow the effect of transparency to remain in the area depicting the view into a landscape.  This transparency allowed the view beyond the window to become a part of the design by accentuating the idea of depth. This was the very idea I had been forming in my mind, it was a humbling experience realizing my discovery was known then as it has been for a 1000 years.

What happens when we look at a stained glass window? Projected light, light filtered through the colored glass enters the eye through the cornea, the exterior part of the eye we can touch, and if the light is dim our pupil opens up the aperture to allow in more light so the image can be deciphered more clearly.  As it passes through the lense, muscles surrounding the eye manipulate the lense to focus the beam of light on to the retina – specifically the macula lutea, the yellow spot.  The outer limits of the retina are covered in visual receptors called rods that collect the dimmest light and are sensitive to movement.  In the center of the retina are other visual receptors called cones that discern colors and the precise edges of forms.  It is interesting to note that in the fovea where the image is focused there are no cones that sense the color blue.  And it is colored yellow as a way to balance the blue light so its color does not degrade the other colors reaching this area.  The cones see blue, green and red.   Information is transferred to the bipolar neurons and into the ganglion cells that leave the retina and reach the lateral geniculate nucleus.  Where the ganglion cells leave the eye no cones exist creating a blind spot.  The brain fills in this blind spot in our field of vision automatically.  The signals for color and form are then emphasized before being broadcast onto the visual cortex.  The visual cortex then interprets the sensations of sight into information understood by other parts of the brain needing to know what and where.  The eyes receive the data but it is the brain that actually sees.  The fact that our eyes are a few inches apart serves to create depth perception through binocular vision.  When someone is looking at a detail in a window the data is received in different parts of the eye.  These patterns of information are kept separate to be deciphered by the visual cortex where the objects are located in space. The contrasting elements of light and shadow and color are vitally important to the brain in understanding what it sees.  By creating a window that engages the tool of binocular vision, by giving the window contrasting elements of transparency, opacity and translucency, the mind is challenged and becomes engaged in the process of understanding what it sees.  All of this is further enhanced by the application of color to the mix.   The human mind begins very early in recognizing objects as patterns – a visual short hand to interpret the world we see.  If the mind had to consciously decipher all of the visual information it receives every moment our eyes are open it would not have much capacity for anything else.  This learning to see over a lifetime – creates a unique opportunity with each person who sees a window – we all interpret what we see differently.  We break down the stream of visual information into a series of recognizable patterns that are easier and quicker to understand.  Children demonstrate this when they draw a tree, a house, a flower.  They draw symbols not the way a tree looks in real life but as stick figures in symbolic and visual shorthand.

We each respond differently to our memories associated with the same stimulus.  Each viewer of a window will see what they want to see, or what they can see.  We often talk about contemporary design as being abstract.  Librarians know that an abstraction is a condensed version of a larger whole.  In the process of creating abstraction as a designer one’s own history of perceptions and knowledge is brought to bear in a way that reinforces the theme.

What is our responsibility as stained glass artists? Our goal is to create a sensation that influences the behavior of the viewer in a profound and meaningful way.  The earliest stained glass attempted to create a heavenly Jerusalem “on earth as it is in heaven”.  Since symbolism and meaning are defined separately for each individual we may not or cannot understand the effect our creations have.  Each moment the windows are seen the viewer is in a state of flux of cycles that revolve very slowly for them.  The theological aspect and context of the windows helps to ground us.  Religion asks us to understand universal truth.  If our goal is to positively affect people then the result of color and perception on the human psyche is a valuable tool.

Why do I think that stained glass has the potential of being the most expressive of artistic media?  Studying the practice of icon writing I came across an article by author Robin Cormack that seems to say that modern western art criticism misses the point when trying to describe what is good and bad art when considering the icon.  It is the intent of the artist – their religious conviction – that is overlooked.   I judge that the same difficulty can be applied to stained glass.  Most art historians and art critics miss the point behind stained glass.  It is not easel painting, sculpture, theater, film, music or opera – though it shares much with its kin.  Stained glass operates on its own separate sensibility, its own laws and principles that those who judge do not understand.  Even after a lifetime I believe I have only come to but a modest understanding of this medium’s potential.  In some ways we must depend on the religious nature or at least the sensitivity of the viewer to complete the picture.

We have learned that stained glass is uniquely positioned to take advantage of the way that we see. Stained glass is projected not unlike images from a television screen.  Wall mounted art work, easel painting, framed prints, all of these will look essentially the same when you walk into a gallery or turn the lights on in your room.  Reflected light is not primary light.  The kinetic nature of natural light, light that moves across the surface of stained glass will create dramatic and subtle changes.  In the end we have to ask the viewer to participate, to slow down and let the subtleties of the kinetic light  enliven the surface.  Stained glass is often in rooms where contemplation is desirable, and if not required, then certainly needed from time to time.  In these quiet moments stained glass becomes an opportunity to return to the beginning through the effects of color and perception on the human psyche.  Modern man is bombarded with a 24 hour news cycle and a sea of information that threatens to drown us in minutia.  Stained glass is prepared for those that need a tune up of the soul – even if just momentary in a work- a-day world.  A silent symphony of color and symbol that reaches out to us on a level beyond the intellect that reaches out to us from a Heavenly Jerusalem.  It is this perception of subtlety that is so necessary for our time.

Stained glass can certainly be narrative.  And as authors of these stories in glass we ask the viewer to enter the world we have told through images, symbols, forms, colors, and engaging the sense of perception.  Like radio where the narrative is heard but the story is imaginary, in stained glass the viewer has guideposts to a narrative that they can imagine for themselves.  And like great novelists, we do our best work when these guideposts of content do not tell everything in minute detail but allow the viewer to see openly to allow them the freedom to create their own story and be their own heroes – if only for a time.

When the French “nineteenth-century arts and restorer Eugene-Emmanuel Violet-le-Duc was a child, his mother took him to Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris.  Captivated by the great rose in the north transept, the boy cried out, “Maman, ecoute, cést le rosace qui chante!”” (Listen, Mama, it is the rose that is singing.)   We describe so much about stained glass design with words common to music, harmony, rhythm, and musicians talk about the colors of a particular piece of music.  The sound waves that create the music have their corollary in the wavelengths of the spectrum of light.  When you walk into a quiet room, and there is no one there to play music or to turn on a radio the stained glass windows will always be on and emanating their complete range of harmonies and rhythms.

Have I met the standard of proof?  Have the last 37 years taught me enough so I can answer the question posed by a young man 21 years old?  It is not only the nature of the glass itself but the perception of it that singles stained glass out as the great art form that it is.

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St. Columb’s Stained Glass Rose Window Featured

I was recentlty featured in Metro Christian Magazine.  Here is the link to the magazine’s website.


Below I included the entire questionaire I filled out before publication. It will provide background information of the author of this blog site to those not so familiar with details of my career as a stained glass artist.


I was born in Jackson, in the old Baptist Hospital.  For many years after college I lived in the Belhaven neighborhood. Moving recently to Fondren is a big step for me. I now live two miles from my birth place.

List your mediums

This is a complicated question for a creative person.  I try to approach most everything I do as a form of expression.  Glass of course would be listed first: leaded stained glass, fused, acid etched, painted glass, slumped, cast, beveled, and glass mosaic.  I also paint using graphite, gesso and watercolor.  Since 1996 I have been studying traditional icon writing using egg tempera as a painting medium. Recently I started experimenting with encaustic.  And if counts as an artistic medium – when in the kitchen I cook with color in mind – what the dish looks like should be a color design as well as taste good. And I approach my garden design as an artistic medium as well.

What did you want to be when you grew up?

I wanted to be an artist but studied Landscape Architecture in school.  It was a five year course of study and I took most of my electives in through the art department which included stained glass.

Was there a moment when you knew this was your purpose and passion?

After college I decided to return to Jackson and open up a stained glass studio.  It took a long time, 10 to 15 years, before I really knew that glass had the possibility of holding my interest for a lifetime of work.

What gives you inspiration?

It might be easier to list what does not give me inspiration. As a creative person I am always looking for juxtaposition of experiences and perception. I never really know where I will find what inspires me.  A lot comes from visual perception, what I encounter in my day to day life.  I am an eclectic reader so I am constantly inspired by ideas from an array of sources. Because I do stained glass I am quite often working with Christian theological themes that relate to the symbolism and imagery in my windows.  The research I do by reading scripture and other related texts is a rich source of inspiration.

Did you have a mentor or teacher that inspired your creative talent?

It would be hard to single out one person.  I have made it a point during my career to seek out educational opportunities to study with master artists and craftsmen.  In chronological order I would list Paul Dufour, my first teacher in stained glass in college, Ludwig Scaffrath and Hans Gottfried von Stockhausen, both German glass artists, Vladislav and Demetri Andreyev, who have taught me icon writing in the Russian style.  This is the very short list. In the course of my work I have been inspired by the people I have worked with over the years.  Working alongside other artists at Pearl River Glass Studio is a constant inspiration to me.  It seems appropriate to mention for your readers that many, many, times the book of Genesis and the creation story has inspired me.  When I am in the creative frame of mind I believe that I am as close to God in my day to day life as I can be.  And I have come to admire from reading the gospel how creative Jesus was in his ministry – how creative He was in revealing the principles of love and forgiveness to a world not necessarily receptive to his radical ideas.

Where and when do you feel the most creative?

There is a moment when working on a painting, in the garden, preparing a dinner, designing a stained glass window when time seems to dissolve into the background.  At this moment everything is perfect and each stroke is direct and not in question. Some years ago, Tom Crouch, now the design manager at Pearl River Glass Studio, and I would talk about the idea of direct drawing. It could be defined as being in a state when you know that your ideas and abilities are in sync in a profound way.

What message do you hope to share through your art?

I consider it a great privilege and honor to design and make stained glass windows for the Christian Church.  I have deliberately chosen certain paths of study and belief to better prepare myself for creating works of art that can inspire the faithful and unfaithful alike.  What I wish for my windows to exhibit is that the process of worship and faith can be creative and personal.  The images and symbols I depict in the stained glass are meant to be an entry into a further world of possibility and a deepening of the religious experience.  I am now preparing a lecture for the summer conference of the Stained Glass Association of American on human perception of stained glass.  For some years I have been aware that stained glass has the ability to reach individuals through their sense of perception on a conscious and subconscious level.  I have reached a point in my life where my God given talents have purpose and meaning.

If you could describe your art in one word, what would it be?


What do you enjoy most about creating your art?

In my own work it is all about the process, it is the doing that is important. I have stacks of paintings on paper to show for it!  My studio work in stained glass gives me much joy in knowing that our windows will live on for generations to inspire others.

Is there anything else you would like to share?

I would like to say thank you to all of the people in the Jackson community that have supported the studio over the years through commissioning us to do work for them.  It has allowed me and everyone associated with Pearl River Glass Studio over the years to pursue what has been a quixotic experience at times.  But in the end it is this relationship with our audience that I am very grateful for.

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